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	<title>Comments on: A new chapter: Patrick Mineault joins SWX</title>
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		<title>By: asai</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/900/comment-page-1#comment-18015</link>
		<dc:creator>asai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah,  

Patrick (and crew) really has done a great service to bring open source remoting to the community. 

I think that simplicity in implementation is really important.  For me, being a novice developer, learning AMFPHP was really hard, perhaps something like SWX would have been a good method to introduce remoting (and AMFPHP).  I&#039;m sure there are many many developers out there who could appreciate a simpler approach to remoting.  

There&#039;s no substitute for experience, and skills (and needs) will outgrow APIs eventually.  If a given API can smoothly integrate with another more complicated one, or be an introduction for less experienced developers to use their existing skillsets, then amen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah,  </p>
<p>Patrick (and crew) really has done a great service to bring open source remoting to the community. </p>
<p>I think that simplicity in implementation is really important.  For me, being a novice developer, learning AMFPHP was really hard, perhaps something like SWX would have been a good method to introduce remoting (and AMFPHP).  I&#8217;m sure there are many many developers out there who could appreciate a simpler approach to remoting.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no substitute for experience, and skills (and needs) will outgrow APIs eventually.  If a given API can smoothly integrate with another more complicated one, or be an introduction for less experienced developers to use their existing skillsets, then amen!</p>
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		<title>By: aral</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/900/comment-page-1#comment-17922</link>
		<dc:creator>aral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 07:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, dude ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, dude ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/900/comment-page-1#comment-17853</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 19:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I join the project too ? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I join the project too ? :)</p>
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		<title>By: aral</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/900/comment-page-1#comment-17842</link>
		<dc:creator>aral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi asai,

I think there&#039;s a place for both SWX and remoting. They serve very different needs and I have made a conscious effort to make sure that  SWX works really well with Amfphp. (In fact, the SWX bundles will *include* Amfphp and I will be releasing examples that show how useful they are together.)

So, no, we are not working together with Patrick on this but I have the utmost respect for Patrick and for Amfphp (in fact, if you look in the docs, you&#039;ll see Patrick listed in the acknowledgments -- his work on Amfphp is inspirational) and SWX and Amfphp will work really well together (and that&#039;s no joke!) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi asai,</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a place for both SWX and remoting. They serve very different needs and I have made a conscious effort to make sure that  SWX works really well with Amfphp. (In fact, the SWX bundles will *include* Amfphp and I will be releasing examples that show how useful they are together.)</p>
<p>So, no, we are not working together with Patrick on this but I have the utmost respect for Patrick and for Amfphp (in fact, if you look in the docs, you&#8217;ll see Patrick listed in the acknowledgments &#8212; his work on Amfphp is inspirational) and SWX and Amfphp will work really well together (and that&#8217;s no joke!) :)</p>
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		<title>By: asai</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/900/comment-page-1#comment-17839</link>
		<dc:creator>asai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if it&#039;s an April Fool (duh) too bad it&#039;s not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it&#8217;s an April Fool (duh) too bad it&#8217;s not true.</p>
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		<title>By: asai</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/900/comment-page-1#comment-17836</link>
		<dc:creator>asai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m glad that Patrick has decided to work with Aral on this project. Really, the core problem is not that there’s too many options for remoting, but that developers are divided among each other and refuse to work together because of petty differences of opinion. Both Patrick and Aral are very talented individuals, it would be a shame for them to be divided over such a thing, so congratulations, Patrick, for making a higher choice. More comes out of skilled people working together than through factionalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m glad that Patrick has decided to work with Aral on this project. Really, the core problem is not that there’s too many options for remoting, but that developers are divided among each other and refuse to work together because of petty differences of opinion. Both Patrick and Aral are very talented individuals, it would be a shame for them to be divided over such a thing, so congratulations, Patrick, for making a higher choice. More comes out of skilled people working together than through factionalism.</p>
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		<title>By: David GO</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/900/comment-page-1#comment-17835</link>
		<dc:creator>David GO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aral,

Im quite surprised of your idea, I had the same idea two or more years ago and did an implementation of it, the idea came to me before amfphp came to reallity and phpobject was usually used.

Then I studied all the ways of doing http requests using proxies but have to tell that amfphp recordset is quite powerful. The page i sent is the actually enterprise i work with. The flash map is obtaining all the submaps by a php proxy using Dime in nusoap (yeahhh i wrote support for DIME attachments in nuSoap) also the interesting point is that the components are all mixed MVC with singletons, and the interface is never disabled when changing the parameters (using a common producer-consumer).
The interesting point here was that as the components are singletons the submaps just call the methods of the other singletons (in fact not singletons but classes with static methods), i saw that calling that methods in the constructor didnt work. have to be a problem with the incarnation of the movieclip and the class itself so the calls have to be done at the first frame of each submap!! maybe is a little bit confusing what im trying to explain and i dindnt realize why have to be done that way, i suppose that it is a flash player bug that first execute the constructor and then paint the movieclip, but the movieclip have to be painted with dynamic data form other singletons!! the areas are only selectable if contains any property.

Anyway i had the same idea as you, i implemented it quite time ago it but i desestimated it.

Good Luck Aral.

Is interesting how two separate minds can think the same in different times.

P.D. I would like to work on any project, if have something just contact me ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aral,</p>
<p>Im quite surprised of your idea, I had the same idea two or more years ago and did an implementation of it, the idea came to me before amfphp came to reallity and phpobject was usually used.</p>
<p>Then I studied all the ways of doing http requests using proxies but have to tell that amfphp recordset is quite powerful. The page i sent is the actually enterprise i work with. The flash map is obtaining all the submaps by a php proxy using Dime in nusoap (yeahhh i wrote support for DIME attachments in nuSoap) also the interesting point is that the components are all mixed MVC with singletons, and the interface is never disabled when changing the parameters (using a common producer-consumer).<br />
The interesting point here was that as the components are singletons the submaps just call the methods of the other singletons (in fact not singletons but classes with static methods), i saw that calling that methods in the constructor didnt work. have to be a problem with the incarnation of the movieclip and the class itself so the calls have to be done at the first frame of each submap!! maybe is a little bit confusing what im trying to explain and i dindnt realize why have to be done that way, i suppose that it is a flash player bug that first execute the constructor and then paint the movieclip, but the movieclip have to be painted with dynamic data form other singletons!! the areas are only selectable if contains any property.</p>
<p>Anyway i had the same idea as you, i implemented it quite time ago it but i desestimated it.</p>
<p>Good Luck Aral.</p>
<p>Is interesting how two separate minds can think the same in different times.</p>
<p>P.D. I would like to work on any project, if have something just contact me ;)</p>
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		<title>By: SWX + amfphp = Swxamfphp at bling bling nivas.hr blog - white and nerdy edition</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/900/comment-page-1#comment-17824</link>
		<dc:creator>SWX + amfphp = Swxamfphp at bling bling nivas.hr blog - white and nerdy edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Aral Balkan has came up with a new data exchange format for Flash codenamed - SWX. The first beta was released few days ago, and it caused instant contraversy among people in remoting community. Since there are tons of various ways to do asynchronous data communication in Flash (LoadVars, XML, Remoting, JSON, SOAP, XML-RPC, and PHPObject) who actually needs new one? The idea behind it is actually pretty neat, and after some flaming, Patrick and Aral decided to work together. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Aral Balkan has came up with a new data exchange format for Flash codenamed &#8211; SWX. The first beta was released few days ago, and it caused instant contraversy among people in remoting community. Since there are tons of various ways to do asynchronous data communication in Flash (LoadVars, XML, Remoting, JSON, SOAP, XML-RPC, and PHPObject) who actually needs new one? The idea behind it is actually pretty neat, and after some flaming, Patrick and Aral decided to work together. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LEE</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/900/comment-page-1#comment-17774</link>
		<dc:creator>LEE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah!  That was mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah!  That was mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Michiel van der Ros</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/900/comment-page-1#comment-17738</link>
		<dc:creator>Michiel van der Ros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I fell for it :)
I never seem to see the point of these jokes that announce something and then say it&#039;s not true. Unless it&#039;s something too silly to be believed in the first place, like a crate of bacteria being released on a crop field, or a page from a newspaper that will transform into a playable record when dipped in vinegar. (yep!)

Oh well, just wait for the first release of Adama (tm) :-p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I fell for it :)<br />
I never seem to see the point of these jokes that announce something and then say it&#8217;s not true. Unless it&#8217;s something too silly to be believed in the first place, like a crate of bacteria being released on a crop field, or a page from a newspaper that will transform into a playable record when dipped in vinegar. (yep!)</p>
<p>Oh well, just wait for the first release of Adama &#8482; :-p</p>
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