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		<title>By: wruth</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/471/comment-page-1#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>wruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aral:&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the article. I&#039;m a Flex newbie, just starting to explore it now with the release of the 2.0 alpha. Your suggestion to subclass mx.core.Application makes a lot of sense to me, with the aim of maintaining traditional class files and so on. I&#039;m having a hard time implementing this effectively in my own experiments however. I&#039;ve been through a couple of iterations exploring this so far.&lt;br /&gt;
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My problem seems to stem from the fact that Flex compiles mxml Application files by generating a class that subclasses mx.core.Application, containing the specific properties and &quot;methods&quot; defined in one&#039;s mxml file. That&#039;s pretty cool, but there are a couple of consequences of this I haven&#039;t figured out how to work around:&lt;br /&gt;
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1.  If I pass a reference of the mxml generated instance to another class ( a Controller for instance), I can&#039;t type the reference specifically. I can type it as mx.core.Application, but that will prevent the Controller from calling any subclass methods on the instance. And even knowing the name of the generated subclass, I haven&#039;t been able to successfully get the compiler to resolve the specific type.&lt;br /&gt;
2.  If I designate a custom subclass of mx.core.Application as the mxml&#039;s root container, it is still a generated subclass of that custom subclass that is instantiated. So any UI properties that I reference in my custom subclass don&#039;t exist there (even if I declare them), because I am declaring them in the mxml file, and thus in the generated subclass of my custom class.&lt;br /&gt;
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I tried rewriting your Flex 1.5 bug example from February (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flashant.org/index.php?p=273&amp;more=1&amp;c=1&quot;&gt;Fundamental bug in Flex Builder 1.5?&lt;/a&gt;), and couldn&#039;t get it to work because of the second reason -- neither aButton or aTextInput exist in the scope of ApplicationSubclass. Rather they exist in the generated subclass of ApplicationSubclass (in my case named FlexBuilderBug).&lt;br /&gt;
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So as far as I can tell at this point the best I can do is to define my custom subclass just within the mxml (using an  included script file to be tidy), and accept the fact I can&#039;t specifically type it in any class I pass it as a reference to.&lt;br /&gt;
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Am I overlooking something basic here? Based on your tutorial and your February post it seems like Flex 1.5 behaved differently. Or maybe that was just a consequence of AS2.0 being less strict in some regards compared to AS3.0 -- like allowing identical (UI) properties to be declared in both a super and sub-class? I&#039;m very curious if you have any insight into this, since I would really like to structure my code in the manner you suggest. I&#039;ve omitted specific code examples in the interests of brevity, but would be happy to supply those if would help clarify my description of the issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you!&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aral:</p>
<p>Thanks for the article. I&#8217;m a Flex newbie, just starting to explore it now with the release of the 2.0 alpha. Your suggestion to subclass mx.core.Application makes a lot of sense to me, with the aim of maintaining traditional class files and so on. I&#8217;m having a hard time implementing this effectively in my own experiments however. I&#8217;ve been through a couple of iterations exploring this so far.</p>
<p>My problem seems to stem from the fact that Flex compiles mxml Application files by generating a class that subclasses mx.core.Application, containing the specific properties and &#8220;methods&#8221; defined in one&#8217;s mxml file. That&#8217;s pretty cool, but there are a couple of consequences of this I haven&#8217;t figured out how to work around:</p>
<p>1.  If I pass a reference of the mxml generated instance to another class ( a Controller for instance), I can&#8217;t type the reference specifically. I can type it as mx.core.Application, but that will prevent the Controller from calling any subclass methods on the instance. And even knowing the name of the generated subclass, I haven&#8217;t been able to successfully get the compiler to resolve the specific type.<br />
2.  If I designate a custom subclass of mx.core.Application as the mxml&#8217;s root container, it is still a generated subclass of that custom subclass that is instantiated. So any UI properties that I reference in my custom subclass don&#8217;t exist there (even if I declare them), because I am declaring them in the mxml file, and thus in the generated subclass of my custom class.</p>
<p>I tried rewriting your Flex 1.5 bug example from February (<a href="http://www.flashant.org/index.php?p=273&amp;more=1&amp;c=1">Fundamental bug in Flex Builder 1.5?</a>), and couldn&#8217;t get it to work because of the second reason &#8212; neither aButton or aTextInput exist in the scope of ApplicationSubclass. Rather they exist in the generated subclass of ApplicationSubclass (in my case named FlexBuilderBug).</p>
<p>So as far as I can tell at this point the best I can do is to define my custom subclass just within the mxml (using an  included script file to be tidy), and accept the fact I can&#8217;t specifically type it in any class I pass it as a reference to.</p>
<p>Am I overlooking something basic here? Based on your tutorial and your February post it seems like Flex 1.5 behaved differently. Or maybe that was just a consequence of AS2.0 being less strict in some regards compared to AS3.0 &#8212; like allowing identical (UI) properties to be declared in both a super and sub-class? I&#8217;m very curious if you have any insight into this, since I would really like to structure my code in the manner you suggest. I&#8217;ve omitted specific code examples in the interests of brevity, but would be happy to supply those if would help clarify my description of the issue.</p>
<p>Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: murk</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/471/comment-page-1#comment-525</link>
		<dc:creator>murk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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Thank you very much. This is going to be really helpful. I think it&#039;s great what you and others like you have been doing for the Flash/Flex community. I want to follow your example and contribute in any way I can.</description>
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Thank you very much. This is going to be really helpful. I think it&#8217;s great what you and others like you have been doing for the Flash/Flex community. I want to follow your example and contribute in any way I can.</p>
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		<title>By: Aral Balkan</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/471/comment-page-1#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator>Aral Balkan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently, on a Flex/J2EE project, we&#039;re using OpenAMF, our own lightweight J2EE framework with simple DAOs, etc. I&#039;m not hung up on buzzwords all that much: Hibernate is cool but what we really need is transparent object persistence, not object-to-relational mapping which, imho, moves the code to another section of the app (not that I don&#039;t think it&#039;s great -- I just want more dammit!) :) &lt;br /&gt;
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Flash remoting makes it easy to use a very lightweight architecture server-side that compliments our lightweight client-side architecture in ARP. &lt;br /&gt;
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Note, btw, that my article was written long before Flex 2 and, although the concepts are the same, there is the additional AS2 -&gt; AS3 conversion step -- at least until AS3 is available for Flash projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently, on a Flex/J2EE project, we&#8217;re using OpenAMF, our own lightweight J2EE framework with simple DAOs, etc. I&#8217;m not hung up on buzzwords all that much: Hibernate is cool but what we really need is transparent object persistence, not object-to-relational mapping which, imho, moves the code to another section of the app (not that I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s great &#8212; I just want more dammit!) :) </p>
<p>Flash remoting makes it easy to use a very lightweight architecture server-side that compliments our lightweight client-side architecture in ARP. </p>
<p>Note, btw, that my article was written long before Flex 2 and, although the concepts are the same, there is the additional AS2 -> AS3 conversion step &#8212; at least until AS3 is available for Flash projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Hansen</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/471/comment-page-1#comment-523</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question. What do you use to easily create your Java services; XDoclet, Hibernate or other technology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question. What do you use to easily create your Java services; XDoclet, Hibernate or other technology?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim hansen</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/471/comment-page-1#comment-522</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Aral,&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for posting this article. It will definitely come in handy when I will throw myself on Flex2 and want to migrate my MVC projects to Flex2. I am really looking for a solution where I can keep my current structure/separation of concerns, while benefitting from AS3.&lt;br /&gt;
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I was so happy when Flex 1 came out, because it fitted me perfectly as a developer, until I saw the price tag. It made me completely ignore Flex until recently when MM announced the labs and the Flex 2 price tag.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am still trying to understand though if I can use openAMF with AS3 as I have done until now with AS2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aral,</p>
<p>Thanks for posting this article. It will definitely come in handy when I will throw myself on Flex2 and want to migrate my MVC projects to Flex2. I am really looking for a solution where I can keep my current structure/separation of concerns, while benefitting from AS3.</p>
<p>I was so happy when Flex 1 came out, because it fitted me perfectly as a developer, until I saw the price tag. It made me completely ignore Flex until recently when MM announced the labs and the Flex 2 price tag.</p>
<p>I am still trying to understand though if I can use openAMF with AS3 as I have done until now with AS2.</p>
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