Comments on: Mailing list frustrations with Tartan and Flexcoders http://aralbalkan.com/439 Changing the world through technology and oratory. Thu, 04 Dec 2008 16:53:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-beta2 hourly 1 By: aral http://aralbalkan.com/439/comment-page-1#comment-467 aral Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:37:01 +0000 #comment-467 Oh cool -- who reads footers anyways? Thanks Manish :) Neat -- I take it back: Searchable search, woohoo. <br /> <br /> Btw, re: the Google ads on the site -- thanks for reminding me about them. They're going to get the axe ASAP. I just checked and we've made an amazing $84 in a year or something (and they haven't even sent that over) :) <br /> <br /> You're right that Flex isn't open source, but Flexcoders is :) Oh yeah, and Flex is Flash -- don't forget what you compile down to! :) Go Flash Platform! Oh cool — who reads footers anyways? Thanks Manish :) Neat — I take it back: Searchable search, woohoo.

Btw, re: the Google ads on the site — thanks for reminding me about them. They’re going to get the axe ASAP. I just checked and we’ve made an amazing $84 in a year or something (and they haven’t even sent that over) :)

You’re right that Flex isn’t open source, but Flexcoders is :) Oh yeah, and Flex is Flash — don’t forget what you compile down to! :) Go Flash Platform!

]]> By: Steven Webster http://aralbalkan.com/439/comment-page-1#comment-466 Steven Webster Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:19:38 +0000 #comment-466 Aral -- from the footer of every email that has gone to flexcoders:<br /> <br /> <br /> Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com<br /> <br /> A search for webster took under a second and returned all hits. The list (Manish) provided web-archive search facility for those that require it. We don't like Yahoo! search either, but the operation offered as a listserv is simple and it works. We've no intention of hosting our own list server right now - we could - but we're happy that YahooGroups provides the level of services that the list members need. Flexcoders is delivering significant value to those working with Flex, and we've no need to change it. And Flex isn't Flash. Or open-source. :-) Aral — from the footer of every email that has gone to flexcoders:

Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com

A search for webster took under a second and returned all hits. The list (Manish) provided web-archive search facility for those that require it. We don’t like Yahoo! search either, but the operation offered as a listserv is simple and it works. We’ve no intention of hosting our own list server right now - we could - but we’re happy that YahooGroups provides the level of services that the list members need. Flexcoders is delivering significant value to those working with Flex, and we’ve no need to change it. And Flex isn’t Flash. Or open-source. :-)

]]> By: aral http://aralbalkan.com/439/comment-page-1#comment-465 aral Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:39:10 +0000 #comment-465 Hi Jesse, <br /> <br /> Doesn't look like it's going to happen but Steven did mention that they could host the list on their own servers which would definitely fix the problem with the ads and the crippled search functionality. Hi Jesse,

Doesn’t look like it’s going to happen but Steven did mention that they could host the list on their own servers which would definitely fix the problem with the ads and the crippled search functionality.

]]> By: aral http://aralbalkan.com/439/comment-page-1#comment-464 aral Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:35:49 +0000 #comment-464 Hey Steven, for me to offer, for you to turn down :)<br /> <br /> Regarding the search function: It is severely crippled. Eg. I just searched for "webster" and, after over a minute of waiting I got a partial list of results. It searched 848 messages out of 20817. To make it *search* for more, you need to click "Search more". <br /> <br /> To search the whole archive for a search term would take 25 clicks. At a 30 second wait time for results, that would take roughly 12.5 minutes for one search. <br /> <br /> I'm not sure if this is covered in the Flashcoders FAQ or not but it's definitely not usable :) <br /> <br /> It'll be cool if you could host your own mailing list as Flexcoders is a great resource and it's a shame that the current archives are not searchable in a usable manner. I hope you will be able to recover the messages from the Yahoo archives and import them into the new list as there's a wealth of information in there being drip-fed to us by Yahoo. Hey Steven, for me to offer, for you to turn down :)

Regarding the search function: It is severely crippled. Eg. I just searched for “webster” and, after over a minute of waiting I got a partial list of results. It searched 848 messages out of 20817. To make it *search* for more, you need to click “Search more”.

To search the whole archive for a search term would take 25 clicks. At a 30 second wait time for results, that would take roughly 12.5 minutes for one search.

I’m not sure if this is covered in the Flashcoders FAQ or not but it’s definitely not usable :)

It’ll be cool if you could host your own mailing list as Flexcoders is a great resource and it’s a shame that the current archives are not searchable in a usable manner. I hope you will be able to recover the messages from the Yahoo archives and import them into the new list as there’s a wealth of information in there being drip-fed to us by Yahoo.

]]> By: Steven Webster http://aralbalkan.com/439/comment-page-1#comment-463 Steven Webster Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:00:38 +0000 #comment-463 Sorry for the blog spam; also just to address your point of searching the archives. This is covered in the flexcoders FAQ ... there is a fully searchable archive for flexcoders, which is listed in the footer of every email posted to the list. And for the avoidance of doubt, you don't need to have a yahoogroups account to use the list -- you can subscribe to receive the emails without your own yahoogroups account, or you can go and read messages in the archives or on yahoo, without having a subscription. You only need a yahoogroups account to use the other features of yahoogroups.<br /> <br /> For the majority, the use-case of the flexcoders mailing list, is using it as an email-list, not a web-based forum. Sorry for the blog spam; also just to address your point of searching the archives. This is covered in the flexcoders FAQ … there is a fully searchable archive for flexcoders, which is listed in the footer of every email posted to the list. And for the avoidance of doubt, you don’t need to have a yahoogroups account to use the list — you can subscribe to receive the emails without your own yahoogroups account, or you can go and read messages in the archives or on yahoo, without having a subscription. You only need a yahoogroups account to use the other features of yahoogroups.

For the majority, the use-case of the flexcoders mailing list, is using it as an email-list, not a web-based forum.

]]> By: Steven Webster http://aralbalkan.com/439/comment-page-1#comment-462 Steven Webster Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:57:33 +0000 #comment-462 By the way Aral, the google ads on your blog are really frustrating. If you want us to host your blog over at www.iterationtwo.com, just give us a shout and there's an ad-free blog waiting for you over there :) :) :) :) By the way Aral, the google ads on your blog are really frustrating. If you want us to host your blog over at http://www.iterationtwo.com, just give us a shout and there’s an ad-free blog waiting for you over there :) :) :) :)

]]> By: Steven Webster http://aralbalkan.com/439/comment-page-1#comment-461 Steven Webster Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:56:14 +0000 #comment-461 Aral ... the list is working fine for the thousands of folks that use it; the adverts are easy to ignore, most people agree that they can simply receive the email into their inbox (just send email to flexcoders-subscribe@yahoogroups.com) and then the implementation technology for the mailing list is irrelevant.<br /> <br /> We could easily host our own bespoke mailing list server similar to osflash, but the functionality offered by yahoogroups delivers on what the majority want of the list.<br /> <br /> Thanks for the offer though. Aral … the list is working fine for the thousands of folks that use it; the adverts are easy to ignore, most people agree that they can simply receive the email into their inbox (just send email to flexcoders-subscribe {at} yahoogroups(.)com) and then the implementation technology for the mailing list is irrelevant.

We could easily host our own bespoke mailing list server similar to osflash, but the functionality offered by yahoogroups delivers on what the majority want of the list.

Thanks for the offer though.

]]> By: JesterXL http://aralbalkan.com/439/comment-page-1#comment-460 JesterXL Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:18 +0000 #comment-460 You don't have to register with Yahoo, you can merely send an email to the subscribe address... but it's impossible to know, there are no plain to see instructions that describe this process, and I don't think Yahoo wants you to do that anyway.<br /> <br /> It'd be nice to have a search built in! Here's my vote they move, Aral. You don’t have to register with Yahoo, you can merely send an email to the subscribe address… but it’s impossible to know, there are no plain to see instructions that describe this process, and I don’t think Yahoo wants you to do that anyway.

It’d be nice to have a search built in! Here’s my vote they move, Aral.

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