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		<title>By: Miro Hryckowiak</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1864/comment-page-3#comment-264650</link>
		<dc:creator>Miro Hryckowiak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to gain some popularity just say something stupid. You will create a bunch of traffic, because people will tend to educate you ;-)

Who bothers if ColdFusion dies, or not? Maybe Adobe, but that also not so sure. As for me Aral is looking as a front-end developer - for a fancy stuff for web. In the same way you may say - Java dies, .Net dies (and yes - that ugly C++ died already a decades ago). Who cares?

During years of my &quot;career&quot; I used so many different technologies, and I learned how to use them (I hope). I do not care about ColdFusion, PHP, cloud computing, web 4, or anything else. 

A life is the art of progression and adaptation, so just drink a beer, find some lady or a gay and concentrate on things that are so much more important than some stupid technologies (they will come and go so or so). Have fun in life!

Best,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to gain some popularity just say something stupid. You will create a bunch of traffic, because people will tend to educate you ;-)</p>
<p>Who bothers if ColdFusion dies, or not? Maybe Adobe, but that also not so sure. As for me Aral is looking as a front-end developer &#8211; for a fancy stuff for web. In the same way you may say &#8211; Java dies, .Net dies (and yes &#8211; that ugly C++ died already a decades ago). Who cares?</p>
<p>During years of my &#8220;career&#8221; I used so many different technologies, and I learned how to use them (I hope). I do not care about ColdFusion, PHP, cloud computing, web 4, or anything else. </p>
<p>A life is the art of progression and adaptation, so just drink a beer, find some lady or a gay and concentrate on things that are so much more important than some stupid technologies (they will come and go so or so). Have fun in life!</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Miro</p>
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		<title>By: Lukin</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1864/comment-page-3#comment-264587</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 05:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this website lay out is weird ....</description>
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		<title>By: CFDave</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1864/comment-page-3#comment-264391</link>
		<dc:creator>CFDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is certainly an amusing post, I look forward to the next CF is dead blog entry next year!

-I can program in several languages and have never been more productive (with server side code) than when using CF.
-We have all inherited bad applications from previous developers who were learning or just bad at their job but this is nothing to do with any particular programming language.
-My ColdFusion applications utilise frameworks, MVC and O/O paradigms that allow me to build scaleable sites that can be easily edited and maintained. Have I done something worng,.. am I not allowed to use MVC as I am using ColdFusion? Please explain.
-My cutting edge Web 2.0/3.0 sites are accelerated by client side tools like JQuery, which last time I looked you can use to compliment any server side language
-I can use all the power of Java without having to adhere to the development time scales of building with it
-I can build prototypes quicker in CF than in any other language

I have consistently out earned by PHP and .NET counterparts using CF. This is not my motivation for using it, merely a useful by-product of a technology that allows me to deliver apps in a fraction of the time of other tools.

A lack of knowledge of how to program properly with ColdFusion is not really a good enough excuse for such an inflamatory article. 

I have read your article again as you suggested. I think I do see your main argument now. It&#039;s that you are not an experienced enough developer to comment on ColdFusion. At this time my thoughts are with the companies you consult for,.. they have my deepest sympathies.

Kind Regards,
Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is certainly an amusing post, I look forward to the next CF is dead blog entry next year!</p>
<p>-I can program in several languages and have never been more productive (with server side code) than when using CF.<br />
-We have all inherited bad applications from previous developers who were learning or just bad at their job but this is nothing to do with any particular programming language.<br />
-My ColdFusion applications utilise frameworks, MVC and O/O paradigms that allow me to build scaleable sites that can be easily edited and maintained. Have I done something worng,.. am I not allowed to use MVC as I am using ColdFusion? Please explain.<br />
-My cutting edge Web 2.0/3.0 sites are accelerated by client side tools like JQuery, which last time I looked you can use to compliment any server side language<br />
-I can use all the power of Java without having to adhere to the development time scales of building with it<br />
-I can build prototypes quicker in CF than in any other language</p>
<p>I have consistently out earned by PHP and .NET counterparts using CF. This is not my motivation for using it, merely a useful by-product of a technology that allows me to deliver apps in a fraction of the time of other tools.</p>
<p>A lack of knowledge of how to program properly with ColdFusion is not really a good enough excuse for such an inflamatory article. </p>
<p>I have read your article again as you suggested. I think I do see your main argument now. It&#8217;s that you are not an experienced enough developer to comment on ColdFusion. At this time my thoughts are with the companies you consult for,.. they have my deepest sympathies.</p>
<p>Kind Regards,<br />
Dave</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1864/comment-page-3#comment-264211</link>
		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 13:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re kidding me.. a Flash &quot;Designer&quot; with clearly limited experience with complex server side development, let alone Coldfusion, attempting to be an authority on the matter is embarassing.  

Learn Python before CF?  What?? 

A quick look at your Bio shows a clear bias in your statements, and an utter lack of understanding of what CF is today.  Again, another so called commentator commenting on his experiences of cf4.5... you might be interested to know that at the time you wrote this article, cf was at version 8, and we are about to see v10 .

CF&#039;s biggest problem is not CF itself, but the fact that ignorance breeds ignorance, and ignorant posts such as this just play into the hands of the ignorant and easily led.  You may want to update your knowledge on a topic before embarrassing yourself like this again.

What I love most about CF is that it has allowed me to put both my kids through private school, buy a house with a pool and tennis court, and enjoy the luxury and freedom of running a profitable web dev business, while my colleagues who follow &quot;trends&quot; merely enjoy &#039;a job&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re kidding me.. a Flash &#8220;Designer&#8221; with clearly limited experience with complex server side development, let alone Coldfusion, attempting to be an authority on the matter is embarassing.  </p>
<p>Learn Python before CF?  What?? </p>
<p>A quick look at your Bio shows a clear bias in your statements, and an utter lack of understanding of what CF is today.  Again, another so called commentator commenting on his experiences of cf4.5&#8230; you might be interested to know that at the time you wrote this article, cf was at version 8, and we are about to see v10 .</p>
<p>CF&#8217;s biggest problem is not CF itself, but the fact that ignorance breeds ignorance, and ignorant posts such as this just play into the hands of the ignorant and easily led.  You may want to update your knowledge on a topic before embarrassing yourself like this again.</p>
<p>What I love most about CF is that it has allowed me to put both my kids through private school, buy a house with a pool and tennis court, and enjoy the luxury and freedom of running a profitable web dev business, while my colleagues who follow &#8220;trends&#8221; merely enjoy &#8216;a job&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: kristof polleunis</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1864/comment-page-3#comment-264182</link>
		<dc:creator>kristof polleunis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 23:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny to read this article now.  When starting out in 1998 we had to learn Perl to build dynamic websites.  When I mentioned Coldfusion my teacher didn&#039;t even know what it was.  

Does anyone still use Perl for web development?

Coldfusion according to my boss in 1999 was a waste of time, ASP (and I surely hated it) was the big thing to come and kill of Coldfusion.  ASP was replaced by ASP.NET as we all know.

Then it was PHP that was going to kill of Coldfusion, and now PHP is frowned upon it seems and Python or Ruby are the way to go.  But PHP is still there too.

So is Coldfusion.  

Funny thing is that Flash, Flex and Air which you mention will probably die before Coldfusion.  With HTML 5 and CSS3, canvas, svg and javascript being pushed, Flash is more of a dead end.  Although I&#039;m sure Flash will be around just as well.

And if you still think Coldfusion has only a commercial proprietary app server you are wrong too, there&#039;s Railo and Open Blue Dragon both very capable open source replacements.  

Coldfusion is not as popular anymore because young folks don&#039;t know it  and because people like to follow trends and Coldfusion is just not trendy.

I&#039;m sure people once said radio would disappear because of TV it&#039;s the same kind of reasoning.  But of course it wouldn&#039;t hurt to learn Ruby or Python.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny to read this article now.  When starting out in 1998 we had to learn Perl to build dynamic websites.  When I mentioned Coldfusion my teacher didn&#8217;t even know what it was.  </p>
<p>Does anyone still use Perl for web development?</p>
<p>Coldfusion according to my boss in 1999 was a waste of time, ASP (and I surely hated it) was the big thing to come and kill of Coldfusion.  ASP was replaced by ASP.NET as we all know.</p>
<p>Then it was PHP that was going to kill of Coldfusion, and now PHP is frowned upon it seems and Python or Ruby are the way to go.  But PHP is still there too.</p>
<p>So is Coldfusion.  </p>
<p>Funny thing is that Flash, Flex and Air which you mention will probably die before Coldfusion.  With HTML 5 and CSS3, canvas, svg and javascript being pushed, Flash is more of a dead end.  Although I&#8217;m sure Flash will be around just as well.</p>
<p>And if you still think Coldfusion has only a commercial proprietary app server you are wrong too, there&#8217;s Railo and Open Blue Dragon both very capable open source replacements.  </p>
<p>Coldfusion is not as popular anymore because young folks don&#8217;t know it  and because people like to follow trends and Coldfusion is just not trendy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure people once said radio would disappear because of TV it&#8217;s the same kind of reasoning.  But of course it wouldn&#8217;t hurt to learn Ruby or Python.</p>
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		<title>By: IanG</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1864/comment-page-3#comment-263877</link>
		<dc:creator>IanG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 19:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go into any shop where both java and CF are being used, and you will see the CF folks leaving on time every day, and delivering on deadline, while the java folks burn the mid-night oil, and miss deadline after deadline. Furthermore, the CF releases will be more substantial (i.e. do more) than the java ones, at the comparable price point.

You can do all the hot IT tricks you deny can be done, with CF. The difference is that its a high-level languae, so it lets a developer focus on getting the function done, not flog away for days at low-level crap.

I think the future of CF will be as Adobe&#039;s integration tool for all its other web-relevant offerings, and as such, will be a spectacular tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go into any shop where both java and CF are being used, and you will see the CF folks leaving on time every day, and delivering on deadline, while the java folks burn the mid-night oil, and miss deadline after deadline. Furthermore, the CF releases will be more substantial (i.e. do more) than the java ones, at the comparable price point.</p>
<p>You can do all the hot IT tricks you deny can be done, with CF. The difference is that its a high-level languae, so it lets a developer focus on getting the function done, not flog away for days at low-level crap.</p>
<p>I think the future of CF will be as Adobe&#8217;s integration tool for all its other web-relevant offerings, and as such, will be a spectacular tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Cathy Shapiro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cathy Shapiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Why your article just lost me a job&lt;/strong&gt;
Well, here it is 2012 and I&#039;m still writing in ColdFusion. Since your article, Adobe has released version 9, an exciting new framework called cfwheels was born, and the community and support continues to grow and flourish. 
The problem is denigrating articles like this influence people. They see it written on the web, so gullibly believe it must be true. They exclaim, &quot;ColdFusion! Oh, you can&#039;t write in ColdFusion.. it&#039;s dead according to Aral Balkan!&quot; So I have to waste time defending the language that I know and love, and end up losing a client because they read this article. 
This is an irresponsible thing to do. Yes, you are entitled to your own opinion, but this isn&#039;t objective, it&#039;s just vindictive.  You should take this article down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Why your article just lost me a job</strong><br />
Well, here it is 2012 and I&#8217;m still writing in ColdFusion. Since your article, Adobe has released version 9, an exciting new framework called cfwheels was born, and the community and support continues to grow and flourish.<br />
The problem is denigrating articles like this influence people. They see it written on the web, so gullibly believe it must be true. They exclaim, &#8220;ColdFusion! Oh, you can&#8217;t write in ColdFusion.. it&#8217;s dead according to Aral Balkan!&#8221; So I have to waste time defending the language that I know and love, and end up losing a client because they read this article.<br />
This is an irresponsible thing to do. Yes, you are entitled to your own opinion, but this isn&#8217;t objective, it&#8217;s just vindictive.  You should take this article down.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Ulloa</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1864/comment-page-3#comment-262396</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel Ulloa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 03:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey schlub all programming tools are free to developers, and I hate to break it to you but .NET is not free.  Also, some open source solutions cost if used for commercial purposes, but that&#039;s not the point these tools may totally be worth the investment.  It&#039;s funny you mention .NET, it is not only more expensive than ColdFusion but it may be the most expensive of all.  PHP is free, but in my opinion you get what you pay for.  As Unibands mention there are open source (YES FREE) CF Engines.  Still paying for CF is totally worth it.  Look, I am not a ColdFusion fan boy.  I use it because it&#039;s a great tool and it makes me money otherwise I would be using something else (perhaps Ruby).  That&#039;s the bottom line for me.  Look I am no genius, but despite my zero experience with CF it took me no time to get up and running on my first contract.  CF is that easy.  As I mention earlier the fact that other programing languages have more shares in the market than CF does not imply CF is dead, nor that the other languages are better.  Look at Ruby, it has the lowest shares of all Web development tools, but it is a lot better than PHP, Java, .NET, Python, etc.  CF is still better though and that&#039;s not just my opinion. http://blogs.gartner.com/mark_driver/2009/10/06/i-continue-to-be-impressed-with-coldfusion/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey schlub all programming tools are free to developers, and I hate to break it to you but .NET is not free.  Also, some open source solutions cost if used for commercial purposes, but that&#8217;s not the point these tools may totally be worth the investment.  It&#8217;s funny you mention .NET, it is not only more expensive than ColdFusion but it may be the most expensive of all.  PHP is free, but in my opinion you get what you pay for.  As Unibands mention there are open source (YES FREE) CF Engines.  Still paying for CF is totally worth it.  Look, I am not a ColdFusion fan boy.  I use it because it&#8217;s a great tool and it makes me money otherwise I would be using something else (perhaps Ruby).  That&#8217;s the bottom line for me.  Look I am no genius, but despite my zero experience with CF it took me no time to get up and running on my first contract.  CF is that easy.  As I mention earlier the fact that other programing languages have more shares in the market than CF does not imply CF is dead, nor that the other languages are better.  Look at Ruby, it has the lowest shares of all Web development tools, but it is a lot better than PHP, Java, .NET, Python, etc.  CF is still better though and that&#8217;s not just my opinion. <a href="http://blogs.gartner.com/mark_driver/2009/10/06/i-continue-to-be-impressed-with-coldfusion/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.gartner.com/mark_driver/2009/10/06/i-continue-to-be-impressed-with-coldfusion/</a></p>
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		<title>By: jondavidjohn</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1864/comment-page-3#comment-262015</link>
		<dc:creator>jondavidjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2011 04:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points, why mess with proprietary products or their open &quot;late to the game&quot; alternatives when the future is so wide open..  litterally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, why mess with proprietary products or their open &#8220;late to the game&#8221; alternatives when the future is so wide open..  litterally.</p>
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		<title>By: Unibands</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unibands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 03:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

Let me get something straight for the late comers to this article. 

CF is not dead. CF does not have to cost a penny (Google &#039;Railo&#039;). CF has an active and growing community. A portion of the CF world (commercial) is backed by one of the biggest software companies today, Adobe. CF is fast, easy to learn and logical. CF can be written using tags or ECMA style script or even Java! CF is NOT owned by Adobe - CF is the language and Adobe simply has their own commercial engine (still new and fresh). 

It really frustrates me when I see people mention cost of CF. If you want it can be free using Railo on Apache powered by MySQL db. Please tell me where a single cost is in that?

Railo and Adobes engine can run on Windows, Linux and even Mac. Does .NET? I think not. 

To anyone wanting to learn CF, new or old, do not let articles like this distort reality and discourage you. Many of these fallacies are extremely out-dated. Do 10 minutes research on Google and you&#039;ll find all the truth and facts you&#039;ll need. 

Adobe is now realising the demand for CF and anticipates a boom. They are on version 9 (Railo is open source version 3.1) and they already announced plans for 10 and 11. Please tell me how this is dead? 

Good day. 
http://www.getrailo.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>Let me get something straight for the late comers to this article. </p>
<p>CF is not dead. CF does not have to cost a penny (Google &#8216;Railo&#8217;). CF has an active and growing community. A portion of the CF world (commercial) is backed by one of the biggest software companies today, Adobe. CF is fast, easy to learn and logical. CF can be written using tags or ECMA style script or even Java! CF is NOT owned by Adobe &#8211; CF is the language and Adobe simply has their own commercial engine (still new and fresh). </p>
<p>It really frustrates me when I see people mention cost of CF. If you want it can be free using Railo on Apache powered by MySQL db. Please tell me where a single cost is in that?</p>
<p>Railo and Adobes engine can run on Windows, Linux and even Mac. Does .NET? I think not. </p>
<p>To anyone wanting to learn CF, new or old, do not let articles like this distort reality and discourage you. Many of these fallacies are extremely out-dated. Do 10 minutes research on Google and you&#8217;ll find all the truth and facts you&#8217;ll need. </p>
<p>Adobe is now realising the demand for CF and anticipates a boom. They are on version 9 (Railo is open source version 3.1) and they already announced plans for 10 and 11. Please tell me how this is dead? </p>
<p>Good day.<br />
<a href="http://www.getrailo.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.getrailo.org/</a></p>
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