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	<title>Comments on: Can geographical pricing survive the information age?</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lee McColl Sylvester</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1170#comment-107687</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee McColl Sylvester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I get my Wii points at £7 per 1000, as you all do, which doesn't work out astronomically more than the US, which, if my calculations are correct, should be $10 per 1000 ;-)  Tbh, though, £7 for Mario Kart 64 or Lylat Wars is still a bargain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I get my Wii points at £7 per 1000, as you all do, which doesn&#8217;t work out astronomically more than the US, which, if my calculations are correct, should be $10 per 1000 <img src='http://aralbalkan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Tbh, though, £7 for Mario Kart 64 or Lylat Wars is still a bargain!</p>
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		<title>By: David Arno</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1170#comment-107671</link>
		<dc:creator>David Arno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Olly, Wii points are valued at 1 point = 1 US cent in the USA and 1 point = 1 Yen in Japan. Here in Britain we pay around 75% more per point that Japan does. I'm sure Nintendo, just like so many other countries, can offer an explanation for this, but that explanation will always be an anagram of "We can rip you off; so we do".

If you do have a Wii, it is worth noting that you can switch the country before buying points and you'll be charged at that country's price. You can then switch back to British without losing the points. Sadly though, a PAL Wii can only be set to PAL countries (which excludes Japan and the USA of course). Since Britain is one of the most expensive, switching to just about any other country will save you money though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Olly, Wii points are valued at 1 point = 1 US cent in the USA and 1 point = 1 Yen in Japan. Here in Britain we pay around 75% more per point that Japan does. I&#8217;m sure Nintendo, just like so many other countries, can offer an explanation for this, but that explanation will always be an anagram of &#8220;We can rip you off; so we do&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you do have a Wii, it is worth noting that you can switch the country before buying points and you&#8217;ll be charged at that country&#8217;s price. You can then switch back to British without losing the points. Sadly though, a PAL Wii can only be set to PAL countries (which excludes Japan and the USA of course). Since Britain is one of the most expensive, switching to just about any other country will save you money though.</p>
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		<title>By: Olly</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1170#comment-107634</link>
		<dc:creator>Olly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's interesting seeing Adobe pop up over and over again in the comments. I think competition is one way to force them to re-evaluate their pricing, which is why I've been so interested to see the new generation of image editors (i.e. Pixelmator, Acorn, etc) entering the Mac market. Obviously they can't do everything PS can (yet), but you could buy ten copies for the same price as Photoshop.

I'm assuming the PS3 online shop is a walled garden though (i.e. Sony are the only game in town)?

I've no real idea of pricing differences on Wii - you download games using pre-paid "points", which effectively hides any differences from the user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting seeing Adobe pop up over and over again in the comments. I think competition is one way to force them to re-evaluate their pricing, which is why I&#8217;ve been so interested to see the new generation of image editors (i.e. Pixelmator, Acorn, etc) entering the Mac market. Obviously they can&#8217;t do everything PS can (yet), but you could buy ten copies for the same price as Photoshop.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming the PS3 online shop is a walled garden though (i.e. Sony are the only game in town)?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no real idea of pricing differences on Wii - you download games using pre-paid &#8220;points&#8221;, which effectively hides any differences from the user.</p>
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		<title>By: Iain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's not just our friends at the big software comapnies - Brighton's own Ben Sherman charges more for its shirts in the UK than it does in its New York store!

What I think we need is an EU-US trade agreement, like we have within the EU, to stop this price-gouging. How about a law that stops companies blocking international online sales? 

By the way, will Amazon.com ship a US copy of Flash to Europe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just our friends at the big software comapnies - Brighton&#8217;s own Ben Sherman charges more for its shirts in the UK than it does in its New York store!</p>
<p>What I think we need is an EU-US trade agreement, like we have within the EU, to stop this price-gouging. How about a law that stops companies blocking international online sales? </p>
<p>By the way, will Amazon.com ship a US copy of Flash to Europe?</p>
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		<title>By: Lee McColl Sylvester</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1170#comment-107578</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee McColl Sylvester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, look at this. Currently, Flex 2 with charting, bought in the States, is $699, while in the UK, it's £410. This means, we're paying the equivelent of $811.17. If you live in New Zealand, though, which is where I'm hoping to emigrate thanks to my wife's family coming from that neck of the woods, they pay $699, too. However, while the US dollar is 1.98 to the pound, the New Zealand dollar is 2.57 to the pound, so by buying it there, you're only paying $538.47 US or £272.12 sterling.

I wonder which country works out the cheapest? By default, I automatically assumed it would be the States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, look at this. Currently, Flex 2 with charting, bought in the States, is $699, while in the UK, it&#8217;s £410. This means, we&#8217;re paying the equivelent of $811.17. If you live in New Zealand, though, which is where I&#8217;m hoping to emigrate thanks to my wife&#8217;s family coming from that neck of the woods, they pay $699, too. However, while the US dollar is 1.98 to the pound, the New Zealand dollar is 2.57 to the pound, so by buying it there, you&#8217;re only paying $538.47 US or £272.12 sterling.</p>
<p>I wonder which country works out the cheapest? By default, I automatically assumed it would be the States.</p>
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		<title>By: ethan</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1170#comment-107406</link>
		<dc:creator>ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lee, yeah i guess if the credit card companies will do it then adobe does not incur more costs.  I'm not an adobe fan-boy but i do think we do not take into account the behind the scenes legal/financial stuff that companies have to go through to sell their products in the different countries. IE: norway and itunes fairplay issues. If there is a physical box or not it's still a product being sold etc. 

I wonder if there is a higher cost due to your purchases having to support fully the adobe infrastructure that is in that country(fewer units sold equals higher price for each unit). Those people's salaries and benefits do not adjust based on the conversion rate. If the euro goes up it's more expensive for adobe corporate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lee, yeah i guess if the credit card companies will do it then adobe does not incur more costs.  I&#8217;m not an adobe fan-boy but i do think we do not take into account the behind the scenes legal/financial stuff that companies have to go through to sell their products in the different countries. IE: norway and itunes fairplay issues. If there is a physical box or not it&#8217;s still a product being sold etc. </p>
<p>I wonder if there is a higher cost due to your purchases having to support fully the adobe infrastructure that is in that country(fewer units sold equals higher price for each unit). Those people&#8217;s salaries and benefits do not adjust based on the conversion rate. If the euro goes up it&#8217;s more expensive for adobe corporate.</p>
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		<title>By: zwetan</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1170#comment-107296</link>
		<dc:creator>zwetan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 12:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it's a very interesting subject :)

yes, as internet users, breathing it every day making the comparison of prices on the geographical level really does not match our culture of having similar things accessible anywhere and anyhow you connect.

that's sad to say but that non-geographical "software" (web application, RIA, etc.) we take for granted on the internet, when put within country boundaries just fall into goods and products law of that same country; different taxes, different legal laws, etc.

Except educating government of those countries about those differences (or simply kicking them in the arse real hard), very few can be done for the actual situation, internet is global and immaterial, not goods and products as defined by the law of each countries.

And really, how much I understand how this can apply to a boxed product you could get in a shop, as soon as the material boxing vanish to be a series of bits, I just can not wrap my head around the difference of prices for those same identical bits.

And to those who would tell me that a software you can download is just a convenience so you can get the application right way instead of waiting that shipping box, I would answer what about software which have no boxes, which will always be an immaterial download over the internet ?

sorry for the long post, but it bring me to that point, and an important one imho

ok, for now we're stuck, Photoshop cost more in the UK than in the US, or PS3 mini-games to stay on topic, ok fine, but what about the slimed down version of Photoshop working as a RIA that you could only use/rent/buy online and would never be able to buy as a box in a store ?


I'm really curious how this gonna evolve with time, for small stuff you can live without as a minigame or find workaround to obtain a fair price, sure the problem is not that big, but for application you can not really download and can only use over the internet, if the same logic is applied the rip off will be really much much more painfull :(.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s a very interesting subject <img src='http://aralbalkan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>yes, as internet users, breathing it every day making the comparison of prices on the geographical level really does not match our culture of having similar things accessible anywhere and anyhow you connect.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s sad to say but that non-geographical &#8220;software&#8221; (web application, RIA, etc.) we take for granted on the internet, when put within country boundaries just fall into goods and products law of that same country; different taxes, different legal laws, etc.</p>
<p>Except educating government of those countries about those differences (or simply kicking them in the arse real hard), very few can be done for the actual situation, internet is global and immaterial, not goods and products as defined by the law of each countries.</p>
<p>And really, how much I understand how this can apply to a boxed product you could get in a shop, as soon as the material boxing vanish to be a series of bits, I just can not wrap my head around the difference of prices for those same identical bits.</p>
<p>And to those who would tell me that a software you can download is just a convenience so you can get the application right way instead of waiting that shipping box, I would answer what about software which have no boxes, which will always be an immaterial download over the internet ?</p>
<p>sorry for the long post, but it bring me to that point, and an important one imho</p>
<p>ok, for now we&#8217;re stuck, Photoshop cost more in the UK than in the US, or PS3 mini-games to stay on topic, ok fine, but what about the slimed down version of Photoshop working as a RIA that you could only use/rent/buy online and would never be able to buy as a box in a store ?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really curious how this gonna evolve with time, for small stuff you can live without as a minigame or find workaround to obtain a fair price, sure the problem is not that big, but for application you can not really download and can only use over the internet, if the same logic is applied the rip off will be really much much more painfull :(.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee McColl Sylvester</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1170#comment-107250</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee McColl Sylvester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ethan: wouldn't the company have to convert to US currency, anyway? Why not only state the value in dollars, and then have whomever is paying but the product in dollars?  Banks and credit companies manage currency conversion the world over, anyway, so no-one will feel ripped off!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ethan: wouldn&#8217;t the company have to convert to US currency, anyway? Why not only state the value in dollars, and then have whomever is paying but the product in dollars?  Banks and credit companies manage currency conversion the world over, anyway, so no-one will feel ripped off!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee McColl Sylvester</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1170#comment-107248</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee McColl Sylvester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was only talking to a US buddy of mine recently about acquiring some Adobe products for me from the US, as it's almost half price there (well, they're not getting discount, but we're certainly getting stung). I don't know how that works license wise, but I am gonna use the software for a US contract, so surely there's a loophole there. And, if Mike is right and US licenses get blocked here in the states, well, I shall just have to disconnect my development machine from the net, and have a dedicated web research machine.

When will this madness end, huh?

I tell you what, though. When my current personal project matures, I'm gonna be charging the states more than 100% more for copies of it ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was only talking to a US buddy of mine recently about acquiring some Adobe products for me from the US, as it&#8217;s almost half price there (well, they&#8217;re not getting discount, but we&#8217;re certainly getting stung). I don&#8217;t know how that works license wise, but I am gonna use the software for a US contract, so surely there&#8217;s a loophole there. And, if Mike is right and US licenses get blocked here in the states, well, I shall just have to disconnect my development machine from the net, and have a dedicated web research machine.</p>
<p>When will this madness end, huh?</p>
<p>I tell you what, though. When my current personal project matures, I&#8217;m gonna be charging the states more than 100% more for copies of it <img src='http://aralbalkan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1170#comment-107241</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to upgrade my Adobe Studio 8 to CS3 at the end of last year, but realised that the UK price was three times the US price given the exchange rate. I couldn't buy a US copy on-line as Adobe blocks this. My better half was just about to visit the States so I asked her to buy a copy in a store and bring it back. Fortunately, before she did this I found out that Adobe has also blocked this route - UK licence keys won't work with US bought products.

In the end I bought a new licence for Photoshop Elements. Adobe loose out on my goodwill; a few hundred dollars of revenue; and I tell this story to everyone I meet.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to upgrade my Adobe Studio 8 to CS3 at the end of last year, but realised that the UK price was three times the US price given the exchange rate. I couldn&#8217;t buy a US copy on-line as Adobe blocks this. My better half was just about to visit the States so I asked her to buy a copy in a store and bring it back. Fortunately, before she did this I found out that Adobe has also blocked this route - UK licence keys won&#8217;t work with US bought products.</p>
<p>In the end I bought a new licence for Photoshop Elements. Adobe loose out on my goodwill; a few hundred dollars of revenue; and I tell this story to everyone I meet.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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