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		<title>By: Leopard is tarnishing the reputation of OS X at Aral Balkan</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1067#comment-86971</link>
		<dc:creator>Leopard is tarnishing the reputation of OS X at Aral Balkan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 14:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] previously blogged about how difficult the upgrade process was for me (the installer refused to recognize that I had a hard disk in my MacBook Pro until I forced [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] previously blogged about how difficult the upgrade process was for me (the installer refused to recognize that I had a hard disk in my MacBook Pro until I forced [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Maradnus</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1067#comment-86315</link>
		<dc:creator>Maradnus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mate just got a new MBP with leopard pre installed we were both dying to get it out the box to see how this new OS handled as we are both collectors of Macintosh produce since the ealry 90s...

installation was fast 35mins easy and hassle free. once it was set up my first impressions were WOW this looks really cool it was solid, fast, stable, thumbs up to Apple. But after the initial installation of his software I couldn't help noticing the super NASTY sidebar that made me feel like I was using XP AND YOU CANT CHANGE IT??? the other thing I really don't like is the in collum view. when you go to preview an audio file you click on the icon to hear it but you can not skip it forward.... in order to do that you have do it in quickview by pressing apple-y or clicking the eye button in the tool bar... Whats wrong with quicktime bit like in Tiger....And we had a kernel panic in the first 5houres......

If I could skin it with tigers skin I would install it on my G5 but as it is at the mo its a step back in functionality as i see it. I didnt move to Tiger untill 10.4.6 was out panther was so solid. 

Shame to say all this as I love Apples OS and have done since day one, But i really dont like the new line stuff....

Sunda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mate just got a new MBP with leopard pre installed we were both dying to get it out the box to see how this new OS handled as we are both collectors of Macintosh produce since the ealry 90s&#8230;</p>
<p>installation was fast 35mins easy and hassle free. once it was set up my first impressions were WOW this looks really cool it was solid, fast, stable, thumbs up to Apple. But after the initial installation of his software I couldn&#8217;t help noticing the super NASTY sidebar that made me feel like I was using XP AND YOU CANT CHANGE IT??? the other thing I really don&#8217;t like is the in collum view. when you go to preview an audio file you click on the icon to hear it but you can not skip it forward&#8230;. in order to do that you have do it in quickview by pressing apple-y or clicking the eye button in the tool bar&#8230; Whats wrong with quicktime bit like in Tiger&#8230;.And we had a kernel panic in the first 5houres&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>If I could skin it with tigers skin I would install it on my G5 but as it is at the mo its a step back in functionality as i see it. I didnt move to Tiger untill 10.4.6 was out panther was so solid. </p>
<p>Shame to say all this as I love Apples OS and have done since day one, But i really dont like the new line stuff&#8230;.</p>
<p>Sunda</p>
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		<title>By: M1k3</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1067#comment-83299</link>
		<dc:creator>M1k3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leopard is still very new, anyone who would install it as their primary without testing it, in my opinion is dicing with data loss. There's a bug whereby moving data to an smb share can disappear if the destination is diconnected for any reason, if you have a cross platform network this is a very real problem. Some smart a**e will say use afp, but if you have multiple NTFS based servers, or use a secure off site backup depository which uses Win 2003 servers, what you gonna do? Read this, and weep
http://tomkarpik.com/articles/massive-data-loss-bug-in-leopard

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leopard is still very new, anyone who would install it as their primary without testing it, in my opinion is dicing with data loss. There&#8217;s a bug whereby moving data to an smb share can disappear if the destination is diconnected for any reason, if you have a cross platform network this is a very real problem. Some smart a**e will say use afp, but if you have multiple NTFS based servers, or use a secure off site backup depository which uses Win 2003 servers, what you gonna do? Read this, and weep<br />
<a href="http://tomkarpik.com/articles/massive-data-loss-bug-in-leopard" rel="nofollow">http://tomkarpik.com/articles/massive-data-loss-bug-in-leopard</a></p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Aivanne</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1067#comment-80575</link>
		<dc:creator>Aivanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 23:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know what you guys did wrong ( I am guessing the verification of the 7 gig DVD took forever). Personally, I downloaded the .dmg (I know I know....I am broke) and mounted it on an external USB (1) drive and installed it that way.

The upgrade took about 40 minutes and I didn't have to touch anything until the first-and-only reboot.


I agree that the menu bar is annoying, I can see an update coming very shortly because frankly, it annoys everyone !

I am a graphic designer and Quick Look is definitely helpful as  Adobe Bridge was hungry in system resources.

The Spaces application is quite neat, although not ground breaking, since most Linux distros have provided it for the past million years.

Overall, it didn't take long for the update, it didn't quite require as much space as first stated by Apple, so I am very pleased with it.

Aivanne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what you guys did wrong ( I am guessing the verification of the 7 gig DVD took forever). Personally, I downloaded the .dmg (I know I know&#8230;.I am broke) and mounted it on an external USB (1) drive and installed it that way.</p>
<p>The upgrade took about 40 minutes and I didn&#8217;t have to touch anything until the first-and-only reboot.</p>
<p>I agree that the menu bar is annoying, I can see an update coming very shortly because frankly, it annoys everyone !</p>
<p>I am a graphic designer and Quick Look is definitely helpful as  Adobe Bridge was hungry in system resources.</p>
<p>The Spaces application is quite neat, although not ground breaking, since most Linux distros have provided it for the past million years.</p>
<p>Overall, it didn&#8217;t take long for the update, it didn&#8217;t quite require as much space as first stated by Apple, so I am very pleased with it.</p>
<p>Aivanne</p>
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		<title>By: Jason The Saj</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1067#comment-80475</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason The Saj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The upgrades are not minor ones. Minor updates are automatically updated for free. Think of Tiger -&#62; Leopard as XP -&#62; Vista."

Seems to me to be more akin to Win 95 -&#62; Win 98 or Win 98 -&#62; Millenium. 

Some revisions under the hood, some new features (ie: improved menu support &#38; multi-monitor/desktop support).  Naw this sounds like a .5 update.  Not that such is bad.  Nor is $150 unreasonable for such an update.

- Saj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The upgrades are not minor ones. Minor updates are automatically updated for free. Think of Tiger -&gt; Leopard as XP -&gt; Vista.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seems to me to be more akin to Win 95 -&gt; Win 98 or Win 98 -&gt; Millenium. </p>
<p>Some revisions under the hood, some new features (ie: improved menu support &amp; multi-monitor/desktop support).  Naw this sounds like a .5 update.  Not that such is bad.  Nor is $150 unreasonable for such an update.</p>
<p>- Saj</p>
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		<title>By: Finally Leopard in the house</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1067#comment-80467</link>
		<dc:creator>Finally Leopard in the house</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Well after reading some comments (from aral for example) that there are still some things to work out i&#8217;m becoming a bit more skeptical than I was.. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Well after reading some comments (from aral for example) that there are still some things to work out i&#8217;m becoming a bit more skeptical than I was.. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Olly</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1067#comment-80462</link>
		<dc:creator>Olly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;"It also asked me if I was sure I wanted to run FireFox, telling me that I was running it for the first time. That felt very Vista-like."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tiger does that too :)

It happens when you have something like Firefox as the default app for web pages. Upgrade it, then start it for the first time by double-clicking an .html file rather than the app itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;It also asked me if I was sure I wanted to run FireFox, telling me that I was running it for the first time. That felt very Vista-like.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Tiger does that too <img src='http://aralbalkan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
It happens when you have something like Firefox as the default app for web pages. Upgrade it, then start it for the first time by double-clicking an .html file rather than the app itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Walsh</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1067#comment-80284</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My upgrade experience was Painless.  Took about 40 min (15 of that was verifying the DVD).

I think many of the features are improvements, but the interface doesn't initially feel as clean and minimalist.  I'm sure I'll get used to it quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My upgrade experience was Painless.  Took about 40 min (15 of that was verifying the DVD).</p>
<p>I think many of the features are improvements, but the interface doesn&#8217;t initially feel as clean and minimalist.  I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll get used to it quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Ferrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Ferrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aral,

I have had little to no trouble at all with Leopard. I did a clean install and backed all my work up on an external drive. I have a 15" 1.5ghz Powerbook with a combo drive,  and it took 10 minutes to verify the DVD, then maybe 45 minutes to install.

So far everything i have installed has worked perfectly. CS3, Textmate, Transmit, Firefox, MAMP, and a few others. So far, I have not been disappointed Leopard aside from the fact that I cannot use Sogudi in Safari 3.

I will admit that the asking if you want to open a program for the first time is a little annoying, but it is a FAR cry away from Vista. I used Vista for about 3 days before i was so disgusted with its silly "security" features, that i reinstalled XP. 

On that note, I will have to say that comparing Leopard as "Tiger -&#62; Leopard as XP -&#62; Vista" is very unfair. Leopard is more than just an interface upgrade and some added swish like Vista was. It adds many substantial features that i am continuously being wowed at, and I would heartily recommend the upgrade. But with ANY OS, i think a clean install is the best choice. An OS manufacturer cannot make sure that every 3rd party app will work perfectly on an upgrade install. That would halt innovation i think.

But i digress. I mean no offense with anything I said, just sharing opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aral,</p>
<p>I have had little to no trouble at all with Leopard. I did a clean install and backed all my work up on an external drive. I have a 15&#8243; 1.5ghz Powerbook with a combo drive,  and it took 10 minutes to verify the DVD, then maybe 45 minutes to install.</p>
<p>So far everything i have installed has worked perfectly. CS3, Textmate, Transmit, Firefox, MAMP, and a few others. So far, I have not been disappointed Leopard aside from the fact that I cannot use Sogudi in Safari 3.</p>
<p>I will admit that the asking if you want to open a program for the first time is a little annoying, but it is a FAR cry away from Vista. I used Vista for about 3 days before i was so disgusted with its silly &#8220;security&#8221; features, that i reinstalled XP. </p>
<p>On that note, I will have to say that comparing Leopard as &#8220;Tiger -&gt; Leopard as XP -&gt; Vista&#8221; is very unfair. Leopard is more than just an interface upgrade and some added swish like Vista was. It adds many substantial features that i am continuously being wowed at, and I would heartily recommend the upgrade. But with ANY OS, i think a clean install is the best choice. An OS manufacturer cannot make sure that every 3rd party app will work perfectly on an upgrade install. That would halt innovation i think.</p>
<p>But i digress. I mean no offense with anything I said, just sharing opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Aral</title>
		<link>http://aralbalkan.com/1067#comment-79938</link>
		<dc:creator>Aral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Felix, 

The upgrades are not minor ones. Minor updates are automatically updated for free. Think of Tiger -&gt; Leopard as XP -&gt; Vista.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Felix, </p>
<p>The upgrades are not minor ones. Minor updates are automatically updated for free. Think of Tiger -> Leopard as XP -> Vista.</p>
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